This issue had been known by a small group of individuals before the near bankrupt of Sechelles Seychelles government - those that kept quiet. It had to take the near bankrupt of the government for this to be accepted by the greater public.
Our reason for joining the comment is to ask SFP and the many involved in Financial Service sector in Seychelles. There exist the expertise for a Seychellois national to help the EBC, the EU Commission, the EU Parliament in sorting the current EU Budget and greater Community finance and EURO workings - the sum in total. A Team of consultant would demand a hefty fees.
Can anyone of you give us some advice what our fees ought to be. Those who have no understanding of such working please read, discuss - but refrain from swearing and insulting.
We have added a list by way of comment regarding the article/video - How to rob Africa.
In frustration, we could not seem to get internet to function. Hence the delays.
Last night, late in the night about 10.00pm we got a connection, and loaded.
We need to understand, that money laundering hurts every single Seychellois or citizen. This illicit practice sucks our blood and makes our lives difficult.
In reality, every single Seychellois today must work harder, earn less, and some face the real risk of poverty beyond what their grandparents experienced in colonial times.
Corruption hurts us all.
When an opposition is paid to retire on pension with a job incomplete, Seychelles is hurt by corruption.
When a lawyer launders money for his easy personal enrichment, it is not different from the thief that robs a tourist at knife point.
We call the PL to task to revoke licenses of the companies involved in the Aljazeera report.
We call on the Chief Justice and Bar of Seychelles, to revoke the license of Charles Lucas and other who in conspiracy with him practice money laundering.
If he needs a job, I will offer him one.
He must also be removed from the Seychelles Human Rights Commission with immediate effect.
Thank you Al jazeera for all your hard work.
Thank you people of Seychelles for every word of encouragement.
Thank you Pierre Laporte for your usual help and assistance....in advance. With a Minister like you at Finance, money laundering will be destroyed in Seychelles by the international press over night.
It is now time for you to give back the Central Bank salary.
When you get the list, and cc copy to us, we will make sure, you do the right thing.
Pa kakan! you been exposed communist more to follow and soon we will start a campaingn on facebook for action and giving some fliers out to take in the streets and rally in front State House enough is enough time for real action,if Pp choice to continue do things their way and continue to have desrispect for its peoples and robbing its peoples over and over again.
When we put that SIROP program together back in 1986 shortly after the assassination of the Leader of Opposition in exile, Mr Gerrard Hoareau - we were aware of the global practice and state of Offshore workings - those from the USA High Office and South Africa involved.
Including those involved in the Privatization of former COMECON people assets, the issues of the Germany reunification and Treuhand and that of the USSR privatization.
The Sechelles Seychelles development is but a pin head in the global workings of Offshore since the above events.
How many of you know and is aware of the original issues, circumstances that led to Al Jazeera TV station coming into operation - {Those who had to pay a very high price associated with Al Kaida and Taliban or Terrorist - try and check the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, British and French or NATO file/information}
We trust from the Seychellois of 1979 we have evolved and acquired a much deeper understanding of the greater world workings. Hence when we are call to make decision and participate in global such issues we do know our subject.
We have underlined and stressed the importance and relevancy of our greater exile workings how we make in put in Seychelles government workings, appointments, the Opposition workings and very many of their complexities and national workings. The Central Bank is one of such institutions and the Minister of Finance is also another.
We request that this comment be pointed to the Minister of Finance and the Central Bank head and the President himself and those leaders of Opposition.
Hence our call for a national debate and accountability for/of that SIROP program for the past 10 years. With the full involvement of the IMF, UN, EU and other institutions.
Polite note - Those in British high politic - what were the events and issues, our contributions that the SFO and other British Policing body be set/put in place.
Good job! It's about time SIROP got involved and we implement the SIROP SEYCHELLES REFUGEE BRITISH EU COMMUNITY PROGRAM in this and get Tony Blair to lead an inquiry along side Mr Christopher Gill fondly known as Totof in political circles.
SFP is doing Laporte's job. MOrevoer,taking into consideration the astronomic debt we already have which annually keeps increasing ,Laporte should have considered that having these stolen billions back Seychelles could have ready paid back part of its debts,stop begging the world,enough money to revive Air Seychelles,Buy our own tuna seiners (NB fishing could generate even more wealth than tourism should exploited by our Nation ).
And lastly, In LUCAS case,it should be noted that probably some banks deliberately close their eyes on the issue,and it is difficult to think that Bankers do not know or at least suspect the bulk of millions entering their coffers of their banks without notice.
Banks are directly or inderectly involvee for they do not seem to have system of control in place that regualte,control,trace the genuinity of the millions entering their banks ,and seem they have done nothing to fight corruption and money laundery though ,they knew that in one -party system corruption ,money laundery and other illegally financail crimes are endemic and proliferate with the speed of light.For instance,when SFP encovered that PP illegally hold U$ 2,5 billions in Swiss banks,none of then ever said a wrods on it,none of them ever got the idea or were concern about the issue,if they would as should be their responsibility and duty ,it could be that many of those illegal fiancial transactions would/could have been avoidded,detected,etc...
SInce,all of them had their mouths zipped on those issues,it is right to say or consider that they benfit from it,or being part of the whle corruption machine put in palce by PP.
SFP is doing the job of government,FUI,the court,Assemby,the fake oppostion,and all those fake organizations like SIBA whatever their names put in place by PP to fool Seychellois and present a window dressing to the world in order for the system to gain some kind of legitimacy.
The UN chief will be in the Seychelles to enjoy the beauty of its coast and to praise Michel's initiative on piracy just like the US ambassador NOT to look at the wellness of its people and the mismanagement of the economy. How I wish he would prove me wrong and address the state of corruption on the island.
When will he meet the press? Who will represent SFP at the press conference?
6.18 Pm Let us wait and see what Ban Ki-mon has to say first when he set foot on our shores first.But,What is sure,is that Mr Ban Ki mon would hold press conference should he respect and follow UN tradition way of doing things---then if he failed to address issues such as Democratic refrom,Human Rights,Corruption etc... issues promote by UN,then Mr Ban ki -Mon would have to face those questions at his press conference.
US Ambassador Shari Villarosa worn a red dress, British High Commissioner Lindsay Skoll worn a red dress when they went to State House, so don't be surprised if the UN Chief Ben Ki-Moon sports a red shirt as well! Michel thinks that these people are glorifying his party colour RED. If they do, the ladies in red are ignorant and causing diplomatic faux-pas in Seychelles. Unless, the diplomats are sending clear signals to Michel of his Communist past and the blood on his hands.
To The new US Ambassador AShe should be reminded of waht his President Mr Obama said in his term in office and still stick to "Development depends upon Good governance.That is the ingredient which has been missing in far too many places ,far too lon.That is the change that can unlock Africa's potential....History offers clear verdict:Governments that repect the WILL of their own people are more prosperous,stable and successful than govenrments that do not...No person wants to live in a society where the rule of law give way to rule of brutality and bribery.That is no democracy,That is tyranny,and now it is time for it to end.Make no mistake:history is on the side of those brave Africans and with those who use COUPS and change Consitituions to stay in power:africa does not strong men,but stronf insitutions". I hope US new Amdassador always has this in mind when she is representing his great country and ensure that Mr Obama message is put into practice especially on the African continent where most tyrants proliferate.
"US Ambassador Shari Villarosa worn a red dress, British High Commissioner Lindsay Skoll worn a red dress when they went to State House, so don't be surprised if the UN Chief Ben Ki-Moon sports a red shirt as well!"
Quand est-ce qu'il va entrer dans votre thick crane that USA, UK and UN are RED RED RED ban nincompoop! Only Gill and a few exiles still thinks that SPUP is not doing a good job!
Elderly annual celebrate turned into FAR birthdy celebration.Pl is again faking reality like with our independece celebration.
Pl on Renaisance social said some seychellois are choosy when it come to jobs-Yes some do,why take a job as fisherman when the person wasted his time and money to make plong study aborad to after ended up fsihin?Why shouls Seychellois take cheap under paid job at the Tuna factory when at the end of the month the salry earn won't be enough to feed their family and paid the expenses?
They deserve it for their hard ,and the party is paid by the tax payers money .The celebration has nothing to do with FAR birthday's ,FAR is just another elderly like others and in fact considering all the millions he told and gifted the Savy's brothhers they should not has even let him in to come drink and eat on tax payers money.Next year i will send my grandpa to challenge him.
Quote - "US Ambassador Shari Villarosa worn a red dress, British High Commissioner Lindsay Skoll worn a red dress when they went to State House, so don't be surprised if the UN Chief Ben Ki-Moon sports a red shirt as well!"
Quand est-ce qu'il va entrer dans votre thick crane that USA, UK and UN are RED RED RED ban nincompoop! Only Gill and a few exiles still thinks that SPUP is not doing a good job!
November 17, 2012 4:49 PM
It took a lot of bitter and very ferocious fighting to change the One Party System.
It took some 40 years including President Mancham era to get a Seychelles Stock Exchange/Market.
We trust and pray upon President FA Rene 77th Birthday - cutting his Birthday cake "his wish that our Nation will get a Senate - Two tier House, before he becomes to old so he can enjoy, appreciate and celebrate this historic change/event"
Mr Rene has confess, that when he was cutting his birthday cake, he saw the seychellois people's blood that he murdered gushing out of the cake, he explain how he almost fainted.
We ask to be excused for not giving other to share their view. Before we forget - a great deal of errors come about from young and inexperience operatives taking over. Such is the case with "North African spring" they failed to note the very important swing in USA ethnic population growth and global aspiration.
President Obama has been given a 2nd mandate, combine with the above highly important, political, economic, social development in the USA. During the last 4 years those who have stressed and underlined to him - the balance of global power has shifted and this shift favors very importantly the Indian Ocean - he and the USA need to formulate, economic, political and diplomatic policy that will foster this.
There is a major regional conflict in place and the outcome will be very painful for the whole world.
We have underline/stressed, we used our "archaic, fraternal, Illuminati etc heritage to get those involved to change the OAU to African Union, even if everybody forget and has forgotten - media and TV crap.
Mr Paul Beranger would have put a Senate parliament in Mauritius if elected - so the notion is not insane. President Michel believe in stretching for the sky - then in the face of Regional turmoil, given the momentum surrounding his government workings - with still two years to go before the next Presidential election - ought use all of our nation resources to work towards restructuring our politic and set in Place a Senate - Parliament.
Should he play stubborn - we all all see this in 2013 and the Opposition will set its own agenda for the next Presidential election. A wise Head of State will look beyond this date and events which will follow.
If this can be brought about - a complete new political dynamic need to be re worked and put into place by the Opposition and this expressed to the [people and their supporters.
Just we worked the issues of OAU for it to become African Union, given the knowledge, experience our nation have acquired to develop such dynamic that will be highly beneficial to greater regional workings, towards the Indian Ocean, African and Gulf Region.
The vast majority of you failed to read what we addressed that caused the Israeli to lunch that deadly attack on the Hamas Leader and escalate the situation. Please research and study. "this is what we term/mean by our archaic, fraternal , Illuminati etc ancestral workings".
FAR private birthday party at STATE HOUSE,financed by Taxpayers' money,advertized free of charge on SBC and Nation ?Is he not a shame after stealing multi-millions from all those Hard working elders sitting around him that He has made the poorest of the poor ?
1.51 Am SENATE PARLIAMENT good proposal."A complete new dynamic should be worked and put in place by OPPOSITION".SFP has been calling for it long ago and still calling on other Oppostion to come around a round table,to unite,etc.. to achieve exactly what you propose.Unfortunately,RAM,Boulle ,Volcere have refused to do so to date.
There will be the important need to involve the IMF, World Bank - because this issue will have a direct impact on their current Seychelles, and Regional Plans.
Lastly SFP will need to lobby the National Assembly respective representatives and the Local District Representative. This is not Terrorist, nor starting a war it is the democratic capacity of Seychelles citizens contribution to a better democratic and social economic workings. You can then work with the Radio, the internet and publish /address the issues, get the local media engage. As for the School we know a great percentage of those school children once explained they will support such Future National working. It will mark and represent a new direction for them , Vision and prospective in many aspects - they have the Web and they can research and study such working around the world for that past 1000 years and make their own minds.
For the past 30 years our young people have led/showed they have the capacity to work such issues- starting with the old NYS those who judge/said it was impossible. We are not alone anymore, Africa, the whole region and the world is looking and watching - those youth have performed in sport and they know what pressure is all about, the media attention and the issues of high competitiveness.
Where as Mauritius is excellent in Corporate and Business working our Youth must take the initiatives and rich experience and fight to achieve their desired goals and aspirations - it is their future and their country and their tomorrow.
Just when we believe that those who wish to engage, make input in such important workings, process of a Senate - Parliament. The Crash/deleted/vanishing article and the buzz from very many prominent political personalities in Sechelles Seychelles. To divert attention the two above news thread.
Just to indicate we are not just very aware of the greater Palestinian and Israel politic, workings - then PM Tony Blair government in 2007/8 what the real incident triggered the Israeli invasion. Please there are two side /three facets to any coin. Head or Tail and the side of the coin. How those of you on then AKS Forums reacted and commented.
PM Blair once out of Office took a different approach and his current role since he has left Office and is currently in the Gulf Region, trying to broker a cease fire between Hamas and Israel- These are issues not supposed for the greater public and their media. Yet how they/it can start a major incident and wars and what follows.
In case those of you who have such capacity to communicate and inform then self of what the incident was - there exist mechanism/discipline to communicate and request for information. Which do not have to be shared in public on Blogs.
The White House and certain USA Services and certain EU High Parties were made aware/know what that incident was.
The more greater good reason we call upon everybody in Seychelles, the Region to work towards that Senate - Parliament process/objective.
FAR still going strong ? He looks 100 years old. He looks a lot older than Mancham who was at the birthdy bash. He could hardly speak, out of breath. I wonder how many more breaths he has left. Not many from what I saw.
We are very aware we have moved away from the original post. Things move and we may not get the time and opportunity to share.
Dr Kofi Anan was resonably aware of waht we are talking about hence his election to the post in the first place. Just as Africa buring politic get watered down and completely muddled up - the same apply to Seychelles Seychelles Mauritius, Reunion, BIOT/Diego Garcia. The so call experts views and knowledge.
Because of my position/views was banned by USA, British from returning with the exile/refugees in 1991.
The Pirate politic - international involvement is a Management process of Sechelles Seychelles and Regional politic - how many in Seychelles has really taken the time, has the capacity to understand the greater issues and complexities. Yet some USA base/home grown Institute believe they have the capacity to understand such workings and issues better - we have made a list of the regional Indian Ocean many Institute for Strategic Studies - those of you interested and care can refer to it - their respective views.
UN Secretary Ban KiMoon is reasonably aware of those issues too - he is/was not coming to Seychelles just for the so call Somali Pirate and environment issues. There are greater undercurrent and complexities. The average Seychellois and SBC and the Nation will never get to write and explain about it.
I hope Israel drop a nuclear bomb on these Palestians. And no I do not belong in SFP, I am not Chris Gill, nor anyone affilicated with SFP. I just want the Jews to be able to live in peace for once.I want the Jews to be able to enjoy the land God gave them. LONG LIVE THE JEWS DEATH AND HELL TO PALESTINIANs
Your pathetic attempt to discredit our leadership the SFP leadership has failed big time as the same tactics has led Seychelles to bankruptcy and becoming a soft target for Somali pirates and a soft plain for money laundering.
Till today democracy remains a myth in Seychelles. As captain haddock said blistering barnacles you all have failed the people of Seychelles.
Today you expect us to think Christopher gill stole land not only in Seychelles but in Guam yet we hear the sing a long on every corner Gill sa boug Gill isi or isaac laba furthermore sa SFP nou pou ferm li.
Well if PL and SNPL really could have dignified words to convinced seychellois that gill is a crook then why is SFP still operational?
The very first chance PL would get if Gill owed money or stole land he would be in courts and behind bars yet SFP under gills leadership remains the main torn in PL side and exposes pensioned and in line drip successful SNPL applicants and awaiting NDP with independent candidate applications in retirement.
The reason why SFP grows stronger is because Gill allows the team to thrive for Democracy freedom and regime change, never once has he asked for compromise to allow favors on the contrary all matters in the name of the party is put to party decision by a vote. Such practice formidable in a democracy which Seychelles has lost.
Examples: Ralph sends Bibi packing and we never heard that it was done by vote or democratic practice. Ramkalawan says i stand aside to let democracy flourish but the coming day he said i will stay yet we never heard that this was done by his execs and in a democratic way.
As for PL we all know they dictate and collate Communists they are.
So Francois next time you decide to throw a rock at a train remember to stay of the tracks as the conductor may run you over.
Communists always attempt to discredit those who do not sahre their ideology or support it.They never to blame not even for their failures and crimes.When challenge on their crimes the frist thing they do is divert the real issues in order to get away with their responsiblity.
SPf leadership,should expect all kinds of rediculous,fabricated lies by Communists thieves,lying and faking are part of a thief tactics in their attempt to hide their crimes and when they cannot defend their crimes with lies then they try to make those that expose them the culpirt for their own crimes.Communists can even go as far as creating a fake case to intimidate those against them--for instance,we all remeber PP crooks palnting A BOMB ar Reeef Hotel in order fabricate a case against those who oppose them.So do not find it strange that comminusts blame others for their crimes or even fabricate imaginary cases against those those that expsoe them ,but each time they do that we know that they have committed new crimes that they trying to hide.
Moreover,after exposing one of PP culprit LUCAS in fagrant Delico which also expose PP rogue govt.They would do anything to try and silent SFP.For SFP is giving them a run for their money,and since SFp is becoming very popular and supported by more than half of the people,Pp has cme to realize that change is inavoidable and the way SFP is pushing for it ,it might come faster than PP ever expected.TBecause of that rapid change on the offing thugs like FAR,The butcher and profiteers are getting more and more afraid.The know a rapid change would definitely resulted in their arrest in order to answer for their crimes .FAR nad the Butcher strategy was not to allow any change as long as they alive in oreder not to face justice,but has come to realize that by the way SFP is pushing for change ,they might well be still alive and probably having sleepless nights when the think about it.
let us not take PP apologists seriously when they invent cases against those who oppose them.For it is always a sign of the pressure they in,the fear they feeling ,becuase they know their time is about to come to an end and they have to face just for their atrosities and crimes committed on our innocent people.
They more they invent and fabricate false cases against the oppostion ,the more we should expose them.
As to Francois he is one of those collaborator asking himself what am i going to do when they come for me,would they jailed me or maybe i could do what i konw best namely try to bribe them in order to get away with my crimes,should in escape to Australia like Dugass,or even commit suicide that they do not get me alive?These are questions ans worries roaming in theose crooks heads .Keep the pressure!
We did not take part in fake election,SFp though,did call for a boycott foll0wed by more than half of the population which in itlself is a means to test the popularity and support SFP has among the people.It also explain why PP never wanted to hold free and fair election for it knows it defeat is unavoidable.Other proves is Pp was forced to fabricate a fake opposition leader with Judas as both supporter and leader together with Chapin the briefcase keeper of JUDDA.Furthermore,RAM,Voclere nadboulle call on the people to rally in Sulivan's garden which only twenty on lookers turned up and who also did not go to PP ,is another proof of Seychellois support for SFP.That PP ;SNP ,NDP all have been rally against SFP shows that they know who has the real zupport from the people ,and they doing everything to ensure that change does not happen for in any fair and free elctions should be conducted they know SFp will be defeat them even when all three combined.
Pp to cut elctricity supply for Praslinois because of service.Well,there are more intelligent ways of doing a major service needed without affecting the people,tourism industries operating their businesses while the service in under way.How?Since,like the way Swiss people does things ,i will take a leaf from their book-In a country like Switzerland such a services that would have direct impact on people and businesses would have been done at NIGHT(reparing train tracks,important road,etc.. not to disturb businesses etc...this is not limited to Switzerland only but in any organized society that is how things are done not to impede other businesses etc--
And since we on electricity and PP is fighting climate change maybe PP can tell us why it is not putting solar panels on individual houses and govt. building to reduce fossil fuel use and thus help reduce greenhouse gas the main cause of Climate change.?And we after 30 years Praslin still having electricity shortage?
Of course he will be re-elected by his apologists who depend on him to make a living and without him with the good contact to PP they might have to find a living.So that RAm was elected is inevitable.And i am sure The Butcher told RAm to make sure his is re-elected for SNP leader is needed to legitimate fake elections that keeps PP prolong our people surfering.Voclere too will be re-elected for same reason ,namely to prop up PP dictatorship as they been doing for decades in return for estronomic pensions for life.
How about you Gill, will you be re-elected as leader of SFP? ...no wait! You were not elected! Will you re-appoint yourself or will you let Isaac take the reins for a few years? Show us that you are not a dick-teter and practice democracy within SFP. Isaac is gagging for a shot at the top job so give him a break. He can always appoint you SG (Sekreter Grenouille) in his place...non?
It is normal and most often the case that when a person decided to create a party that the person who created it become it first leader.This was the case When Mancham created DP,FAR created SPUP;RAM SNP etc ... So what is the point you want to make?
I guess there is a time for everything and right now it is not the time for SFP to replace Gill as its leader. Gill is doing a wonderful job. It is the evil twin who speaks with forked tongue and need to be educated on external issues.
It would be much beneficial for our people and country image damaged by PP,to dissolve Pp government and call for new elections.For in real life, no one would ever change something that works or leaders who deliver his or her duty even above the expectation of his or her employees,supporters and so forth.
You do not change what works you better it,You donot change an effective leader you support and follow him.
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107 comments:
Well done to Mr Gill.Keep up the goos work SFP!
Good Work! See SNP/DP, it can be done.
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA
Another exceptional work by Seychelles Freedom Party. Proud to be part of this wonderful family.
SFP Australia
GOOD JOB CHRIS
KEEP IT UP
This issue had been known by a small group of individuals before the near bankrupt of Sechelles Seychelles government - those that kept quiet. It had to take the near bankrupt of the government for this to be accepted by the greater public.
Our reason for joining the comment is to ask SFP and the many involved in Financial Service sector in Seychelles. There exist the expertise for a Seychellois national to help the EBC, the EU Commission, the EU Parliament in sorting the current EU Budget and greater Community finance and EURO workings - the sum in total. A Team of consultant would demand a hefty fees.
Can anyone of you give us some advice what our fees ought to be. Those who have no understanding of such working please read, discuss - but refrain from swearing and insulting.
We have added a list by way of comment regarding the article/video - How to rob Africa.
We do not need any other specialist, Minister Laporte is getting double pay to do the job. He has all the expertise that is required.
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA
You are a true leader. Keep up the good fight Sir.
Good Morning everyone-
This letter had been written a few days ago.
In frustration, we could not seem to get internet to function. Hence the delays.
Last night, late in the night about 10.00pm we got a connection, and loaded.
We need to understand, that money laundering hurts every single Seychellois or citizen. This illicit practice sucks our blood and makes our lives difficult.
In reality, every single Seychellois today must work harder, earn less, and some face the real risk of poverty beyond what their grandparents experienced in colonial times.
Corruption hurts us all.
When an opposition is paid to retire on pension with a job incomplete, Seychelles is hurt by corruption.
When a lawyer launders money for his easy personal enrichment, it is not different from the thief that robs a tourist at knife point.
We call the PL to task to revoke licenses of the companies involved in the Aljazeera report.
We call on the Chief Justice and Bar of Seychelles, to revoke the license of Charles Lucas and other who in conspiracy with him practice money laundering.
If he needs a job, I will offer him one.
He must also be removed from the Seychelles Human Rights Commission with immediate effect.
Thank you Al jazeera for all your hard work.
Thank you people of Seychelles for every word of encouragement.
Thank you Pierre Laporte for your usual help and assistance....in advance. With a Minister like you at Finance, money laundering will be destroyed in Seychelles by the international press over night.
It is now time for you to give back the Central Bank salary.
When you get the list, and cc copy to us, we will make sure, you do the right thing.
Seselwa Unite!
Sesel Pou Seselwa!
Christopher Gill
Leader
Seychelles Freedom Party
I have been waiting a long time for someone to rise up to write a letter like that.
Congratulations Mr. Gill. You stand up in a sea of knee bent cowards.
That why i like watching Aljazeera!they exposed African dictator and corrupt politicians.
Again a badly written letter signed by the leader of a Mickey Mouse political party!
Too amateurish and too "kankan"!
Straight to waste basket! Voila!
Pa kakan! you been exposed communist more to follow and soon we will start a campaingn on facebook for action and giving some fliers out to take in the streets and rally in front State House enough is enough time for real action,if Pp choice to continue do things their way and continue to have desrispect for its peoples and robbing its peoples over and over again.
You talkin' as Jeanne D'Arc or ti Johnny-what's-his-bad habit?
Dear Friends,
When we put that SIROP program together back in 1986 shortly after the assassination of the Leader of Opposition in exile, Mr Gerrard Hoareau - we were aware of the global practice and state of Offshore workings - those from the USA High Office and South Africa involved.
Including those involved in the Privatization of former COMECON people assets, the issues of the Germany reunification and Treuhand and that of the USSR privatization.
The Sechelles Seychelles development is but a pin head in the global workings of Offshore since the above events.
How many of you know and is aware of the original issues, circumstances that led to Al Jazeera TV station coming into operation - {Those who had to pay a very high price associated with Al Kaida and Taliban or Terrorist - try and check the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, British and French or NATO file/information}
We trust from the Seychellois of 1979 we have evolved and acquired a much deeper understanding of the greater world workings. Hence when we are call to make decision and participate in global such issues we do know our subject.
We have underlined and stressed the importance and relevancy of our greater exile workings how we make in put in Seychelles government workings, appointments, the Opposition workings and very many of their complexities and national workings. The Central Bank is one of such institutions and the Minister of Finance is also another.
We request that this comment be pointed to the Minister of Finance and the Central Bank head and the President himself and those leaders of Opposition.
Hence our call for a national debate and accountability for/of that SIROP program for the past 10 years. With the full involvement of the IMF, UN, EU and other institutions.
Polite note - Those in British high politic - what were the events and issues, our contributions that the SFO and other British Policing body be set/put in place.
Good job! It's about time SIROP got involved and we implement the SIROP SEYCHELLES REFUGEE BRITISH EU COMMUNITY PROGRAM in this and get Tony Blair to lead an inquiry along side Mr Christopher Gill fondly known as Totof in political circles.
Thank you all for your comments, words of encouragement and critic alike.
Those that send words of encouragement, recall well, we do this work because other opposition parties went to sleep or went under pension drip.
Those that critic, you must know, as you hide, we will find and double our efforts, until your whole scheme is exposed.
Lucas may be SNP supporter, but we will get to the PL people he works with as well.
The time to steal from the people of Seychelles make us poor each year is over.
We will see a better more honest way forward.
Seselwa Unite!
Sesel Pou Seselwa!
Christopher Gill
Leader
Seychelles Freedom Party
Gill; you said: "The time to steal from the people of Seychelles make us poor each year is over."
How about your properties? Will you be handing all back to their rightful owners?
Les trois million rupees owed to La Banque, will you be selling some of your ill gotten assets to pay that back?
As a leader you should lead by example.
Koze zami. Dir nou!
Pissedoff Le Rouz with his ledgers.
Gill vous etre un voleur qui aime appeller tout les autre voleur!
Francois.
Pa Gill ki ti vol nou pei e met nou dan lasenn epi vid Labank Santral pou met dan kont 'Swiss'.
Can we afford this?
http://rt.com/news/austerity-protests-eu-solidarity-727/
Francois pissedoff guys!
ONE LOVE, ONE WORLD, ONE DESTINY!
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/activate/2012/10/20121014131845553631.html
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA
THE SAME LOVE!
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeeraworld/2012/06/2012627112840388494.html
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA
SFP
is doing Laporte's job.
MOrevoer,taking into consideration the astronomic debt we already have which annually keeps increasing ,Laporte should have considered that having these stolen billions back Seychelles could have ready paid back part of its debts,stop begging the world,enough money to revive Air Seychelles,Buy our own tuna seiners (NB fishing could generate even more wealth than tourism should exploited by our Nation ).
And lastly, In LUCAS case,it should be noted that probably some banks deliberately close their eyes on the issue,and it is difficult to think that Bankers do not know or at least suspect the bulk of millions entering their coffers of their banks without notice.
Jeanne D'Arc
SFP is doing no one's job.
The banks are also guilty!
Banks are directly or inderectly involvee for they do not seem to have system of control in place that regualte,control,trace the genuinity of the millions entering their banks ,and seem they have done nothing to fight corruption and money laundery though ,they knew that in one -party system corruption ,money laundery and other illegally financail crimes are endemic and proliferate with the speed of light.For instance,when SFP encovered that PP illegally hold U$ 2,5 billions in Swiss banks,none of then ever said a wrods on it,none of them ever got the idea or were concern about the issue,if they would as should be their responsibility and duty ,it could be that many of those illegal fiancial transactions would/could have been avoidded,detected,etc...
SInce,all of them had their mouths zipped on those issues,it is right to say or consider that they benfit from it,or being part of the whle corruption machine put in palce by PP.
Jeanne D'Arc
SFP is doing the job of government,FUI,the court,Assemby,the fake oppostion,and all those fake organizations like SIBA whatever their names put in place by PP to fool Seychellois and present a window dressing to the world in order for the system to gain some kind of legitimacy.
Jeanne D'Arc
UN chief is coming to knock on their door i wonder what communist have to say to him about corruption and money laundering in Seychelles.
The UN chief will be in the Seychelles to enjoy the beauty of its coast and to praise Michel's initiative on piracy just like the US ambassador NOT to look at the wellness of its people and the mismanagement of the economy. How I wish he would prove me wrong and address the state of corruption on the island.
When will he meet the press? Who will represent SFP at the press conference?
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA
LIVE!
http://rt.com/on-air/israel-gaza-live/
http://rt.com/news/israel-gaza-terrorism-war-820/
6.18 Pm
Let us wait and see what Ban Ki-mon has to say first when he set foot on our shores first.But,What is sure,is that Mr Ban Ki mon would hold press conference should he respect and follow UN tradition way of doing things---then if he failed to address issues such as Democratic refrom,Human Rights,Corruption etc... issues promote by UN,then Mr Ban ki -Mon would have to face those questions at his press conference.
Let give him the change to express himself first.
Jeanne D'Arc
While you`re waiting for the arrival of UN Chief,you can read this interesting book entitle"Why Dictators love UN" by Jeffrey Herbst.
US Ambassador Shari Villarosa worn a red dress, British High Commissioner Lindsay Skoll worn a red dress when they went to State House, so don't be surprised if the UN Chief Ben Ki-Moon sports a red shirt as well! Michel thinks that these people are glorifying his party colour RED. If they do, the ladies in red are ignorant and causing diplomatic faux-pas in Seychelles. Unless, the diplomats are sending clear signals to Michel of his Communist past and the blood on his hands.
To The new US Ambassador
AShe should be reminded of waht his President Mr Obama said in his term in office and still stick to "Development depends upon Good governance.That is the ingredient which has been missing in far too many places ,far too lon.That is the change that can unlock Africa's potential....History offers clear verdict:Governments that repect the WILL of their own people are more prosperous,stable and successful than govenrments that do not...No person wants to live in a society where the rule of law give way to rule of brutality and bribery.That is no democracy,That is tyranny,and now it is time for it to end.Make no mistake:history is on the side of those brave Africans and with those who use COUPS and change Consitituions to stay in power:africa does not strong men,but stronf insitutions". I hope US new Amdassador always has this in mind when she is representing his great country and ensure that Mr Obama message is put into practice especially on the African continent where most tyrants proliferate.
Jeanne D'Arc
Correction.
-Not with those who use COUPS to stay on power.
-Afrcia does not need strong men,but strong institutions
"US Ambassador Shari Villarosa worn a red dress, British High Commissioner Lindsay Skoll worn a red dress when they went to State House, so don't be surprised if the UN Chief Ben Ki-Moon sports a red shirt as well!"
Quand est-ce qu'il va entrer dans votre thick crane that USA, UK and UN are RED RED RED ban nincompoop!
Only Gill and a few exiles still thinks that SPUP is not doing a good job!
STOP THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA!
DISCREDIT THE ZIONIST APARTHEID REGIME!
SHOW A LITTLE SYMPATHY TO HUMAN SUFFERING!
LET'S ADD OUR VOICES TO THE SYMPHONY OF HOPE!
LET'S ASK OUR GOVERNMENT TO CONDEMN THE ZIONIST!
WE DID IT FOR SOUTH AFRICA, NOW WE MUST UNITE TO SAVE THE PALESTINIANS!
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA!
LETS STECK TO THE NAIN THEMA ON THIS BLOG!
Main!
What happened to the boycott, pissedoff ?
How much did Gill pay pissedoff to end the boycott ?
Elderly annual celebrate turned into FAR birthdy celebration.Pl is again faking reality like with our independece celebration.
Pl on Renaisance social said some seychellois are choosy when it come to jobs-Yes some do,why take a job as fisherman when the person wasted his time and money to make plong study aborad to after ended up fsihin?Why shouls Seychellois take cheap under paid job at the Tuna factory when at the end of the month the salry earn won't be enough to feed their family and paid the expenses?
Zot pe kouyon elderly peoples!
Ki annan ladan pou kouyonn elderly people?
They get to sit down for a feast and have a good time. Those that oppose it can always stay at home.
The fact is FAR is still going strong, both in health and popularity.
VIVE FRANCE ALBERT RENE!
VIVE SPUP/SPPF!
VIVE NOU LAREVOLISYON!
Pissedoff le Rouge
They deserve it for their hard ,and the party is paid by the tax payers money .The celebration has nothing to do with FAR birthday's ,FAR is just another elderly like others and in fact considering all the millions he told and gifted the Savy's brothhers they should not has even let him in to come drink and eat on tax payers money.Next year i will send my grandpa to challenge him.
Jeanne D'arc
Jeanne D'Arc
they deserve it for their hard work for this country.
They deserve it for sitting idle and allowing the regime to rob our country.
Quote - "US Ambassador Shari Villarosa worn a red dress, British High Commissioner Lindsay Skoll worn a red dress when they went to State House, so don't be surprised if the UN Chief Ben Ki-Moon sports a red shirt as well!"
Quand est-ce qu'il va entrer dans votre thick crane that USA, UK and UN are RED RED RED ban nincompoop!
Only Gill and a few exiles still thinks that SPUP is not doing a good job!
November 17, 2012 4:49 PM
It took a lot of bitter and very ferocious fighting to change the One Party System.
It took some 40 years including President Mancham era to get a Seychelles Stock Exchange/Market.
We trust and pray upon President FA Rene 77th Birthday - cutting his Birthday cake "his wish that our Nation will get a Senate - Two tier House, before he becomes to old so he can enjoy, appreciate and celebrate this historic change/event"
Mr Rene has confess, that when he was cutting his birthday cake, he saw the seychellois people's blood that he murdered gushing out of the cake, he explain how he almost fainted.
We ask to be excused for not giving other to share their view. Before we forget - a great deal of errors come about from young and inexperience operatives taking over. Such is the case with "North African spring" they failed to note the very important swing in USA ethnic population growth and global aspiration.
President Obama has been given a 2nd mandate, combine with the above highly important, political, economic, social development in the USA. During the last 4 years those who have stressed and underlined to him - the balance of global power has shifted and this shift favors very importantly the Indian Ocean - he and the USA need to formulate, economic, political and diplomatic policy that will foster this.
There is a major regional conflict in place and the outcome will be very painful for the whole world.
We have underline/stressed, we used our "archaic, fraternal, Illuminati etc heritage to get those involved to change the OAU to African Union, even if everybody forget and has forgotten - media and TV crap.
Mr Paul Beranger would have put a Senate parliament in Mauritius if elected - so the notion is not insane. President Michel believe in stretching for the sky - then in the face of Regional turmoil, given the momentum surrounding his government workings - with still two years to go before the next Presidential election - ought use all of our nation resources to work towards restructuring our politic and set in Place a Senate - Parliament.
Should he play stubborn - we all all see this in 2013 and the Opposition will set its own agenda for the next Presidential election. A wise Head of State will look beyond this date and events which will follow.
If this can be brought about - a complete new political dynamic need to be re worked and put into place by the Opposition and this expressed to the [people and their supporters.
Just we worked the issues of OAU for it to become African Union, given the knowledge, experience our nation have acquired to develop such dynamic that will be highly beneficial to greater regional workings, towards the Indian Ocean, African and Gulf Region.
The vast majority of you failed to read what we addressed that caused the Israeli to lunch that deadly attack on the Hamas Leader and escalate the situation. Please research and study. "this is what we term/mean by our archaic, fraternal , Illuminati etc ancestral workings".
I guess the old murdering goat is being hunted even in a cake, blooded cake for a hot blooded murdering Dracula.
FAR private birthday party at STATE HOUSE,financed by Taxpayers' money,advertized free of charge on SBC and Nation ?Is he not a shame after stealing multi-millions from all those Hard working elders sitting around him that He has made the poorest of the poor ?
1.51 Am
SENATE PARLIAMENT good proposal."A complete new dynamic should be worked and put in place by OPPOSITION".SFP has been calling for it long ago and still calling on other Oppostion to come around a round table,to unite,etc.. to achieve exactly what you propose.Unfortunately,RAM,Boulle ,Volcere have refused to do so to date.
Jeanne D'Arc
continuation of above issues .. .
There will be the important need to involve the IMF, World Bank - because this issue will have a direct impact on their current Seychelles, and Regional Plans.
Lastly SFP will need to lobby the National Assembly respective representatives and the Local District Representative. This is not Terrorist, nor starting a war it is the democratic capacity of Seychelles citizens contribution to a better democratic and social economic workings. You can then work with the Radio, the internet and publish /address the issues, get the local media engage. As for the School we know a great percentage of those school children once explained they will support such Future National working. It will mark and represent a new direction for them , Vision and prospective in many aspects - they have the Web and they can research and study such working around the world for that past 1000 years and make their own minds.
For the past 30 years our young people have led/showed they have the capacity to work such issues- starting with the old NYS those who judge/said it was impossible. We are not alone anymore, Africa, the whole region and the world is looking and watching - those youth have performed in sport and they know what pressure is all about, the media attention and the issues of high competitiveness.
Where as Mauritius is excellent in Corporate and Business working our Youth must take the initiatives and rich experience and fight to achieve their desired goals and aspirations - it is their future and their country and their tomorrow.
Note:- SFP Blog crashed, we had not save the above thoughts. It publish, then vanished from comment page. The above is just the last part.
THE REAL NEWS!
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9138
http://www.caiaweb.org/
Just when we believe that those who wish to engage, make input in such important workings, process of a Senate - Parliament. The Crash/deleted/vanishing article and the buzz from very many prominent political personalities in Sechelles Seychelles. To divert attention the two above news thread.
Just to indicate we are not just very aware of the greater Palestinian and Israel politic, workings - then PM Tony Blair government in 2007/8 what the real incident triggered the Israeli invasion. Please there are two side /three facets to any coin. Head or Tail and the side of the coin. How those of you on then AKS Forums reacted and commented.
PM Blair once out of Office took a different approach and his current role since he has left Office and is currently in the Gulf Region, trying to broker a cease fire between Hamas and Israel- These are issues not supposed for the greater public and their media. Yet how they/it can start a major incident and wars and what follows.
In case those of you who have such capacity to communicate and inform then self of what the incident was - there exist mechanism/discipline to communicate and request for information. Which do not have to be shared in public on Blogs.
The White House and certain USA Services and certain EU High Parties were made aware/know what that incident was.
The more greater good reason we call upon everybody in Seychelles, the Region to work towards that Senate - Parliament process/objective.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartet_on_the_Middle_East
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8276943/Israel-aimed-to-cleanse-Gaza-neighbourhoods-in-2008-invasion.html
FAR still going strong ? He looks 100 years old. He looks a lot older than Mancham who was at the birthdy bash. He could hardly speak, out of breath. I wonder how many more breaths he has left. Not many from what I saw.
We are very aware we have moved away from the original post. Things move and we may not get the time and opportunity to share.
Dr Kofi Anan was resonably aware of waht we are talking about hence his election to the post in the first place. Just as Africa buring politic get watered down and completely muddled up - the same apply to Seychelles Seychelles Mauritius, Reunion, BIOT/Diego Garcia. The so call experts views and knowledge.
Because of my position/views was banned by USA, British from returning with the exile/refugees in 1991.
The Pirate politic - international involvement is a Management process of Sechelles Seychelles and Regional politic - how many in Seychelles has really taken the time, has the capacity to understand the greater issues and complexities. Yet some USA base/home grown Institute believe they have the capacity to understand such workings and issues better - we have made a list of the regional Indian Ocean many Institute for Strategic Studies - those of you interested and care can refer to it - their respective views.
UN Secretary Ban KiMoon is reasonably aware of those issues too - he is/was not coming to Seychelles just for the so call Somali Pirate and environment issues. There are greater undercurrent and complexities. The average Seychellois and SBC and the Nation will never get to write and explain about it.
FAR could hardly be in good shape.
Half of his body does not function from stroke last year.
He can raise one arm, and could barley cut the cake. Without Sarah cheering him on, he would have fallen in the cake.
He should have celebrated at Fiennes Institute with ropes tied to each arm to keep them up.
The appeal for love as the reason behind the coup is laughable.
How many people were murdered for love?
Where does that leave Sarah, if he turns his ove on her someday?
Tough place to be indeed.
Better just play along to the end and don't wear your heart on your sleeve or shoe lace.
Might slip any day!
That will leave Michel, without a brain, as we confirmed in 2004.
I hope Israel drop a nuclear bomb on these Palestians.
And no I do not belong in SFP, I am not Chris Gill, nor anyone affilicated with SFP. I just want the Jews to be able to live in peace for once.I want the Jews to be able to enjoy the land God gave them.
LONG LIVE THE JEWS DEATH AND HELL TO PALESTINIANs
PRAYING TO THE DEVIL!
No children of God would build a Nuclear Bomb to destroy the world! I am not affiliated with any political party either.
Jews live in peace all over the world.
Dear Francois
Aka anonymous SNPL;
Your pathetic attempt to discredit our leadership the SFP leadership has failed big time as the same tactics has led Seychelles to bankruptcy and becoming a soft target for Somali pirates and a soft plain for money laundering.
Till today democracy remains a myth in Seychelles. As captain haddock said blistering barnacles you all have failed the people of Seychelles.
Today you expect us to think Christopher gill stole land not only in Seychelles but in Guam yet we hear the sing a long on every corner Gill sa boug Gill isi or isaac laba furthermore sa SFP nou pou ferm li.
Well if PL and SNPL really could have dignified words to convinced seychellois that gill is a crook then why is SFP still operational?
The very first chance PL would get if Gill owed money or stole land he would be in courts and behind bars yet SFP under gills leadership remains the main torn in PL side and exposes pensioned and in line drip successful SNPL applicants and awaiting NDP with independent candidate applications in retirement.
The reason why SFP grows stronger is because Gill allows the team to thrive for Democracy freedom and regime change, never once has he asked for compromise to allow favors on the contrary all matters in the name of the party is put to party decision by a vote. Such practice formidable in a democracy which Seychelles has lost.
Examples: Ralph sends Bibi packing and we never heard that it was done by vote or democratic practice. Ramkalawan says i stand aside to let democracy flourish but the coming day he said i will stay yet we never heard that this was done by his execs and in a democratic way.
As for PL we all know they dictate and collate Communists they are.
So Francois next time you decide to throw a rock at a train remember to stay of the tracks as the conductor may run you over.
My Regards SFP SG!
Communists always attempt to discredit those who do not sahre their ideology or support it.They never to blame not even for their failures and crimes.When challenge on their crimes the frist thing they do is divert the real issues in order to get away with their responsiblity.
SPf leadership,should expect all kinds of rediculous,fabricated lies by Communists thieves,lying and faking are part of a thief tactics in their attempt to hide their crimes and when they cannot defend their crimes with lies then they try to make those that expose them the culpirt for their own crimes.Communists can even go as far as creating a fake case to intimidate those against them--for instance,we all remeber PP crooks palnting A BOMB ar Reeef Hotel in order fabricate a case against those who oppose them.So do not find it strange that comminusts blame others for their crimes or even fabricate imaginary cases against those those that expsoe them ,but each time they do that we know that they have committed new crimes that they trying to hide.
Moreover,after exposing one of PP culprit LUCAS in fagrant Delico which also expose PP rogue govt.They would do anything to try and silent SFP.For SFP is giving them a run for their money,and since SFp is becoming very popular and supported by more than half of the people,Pp has cme to realize that change is inavoidable and the way SFP is pushing for it ,it might come faster than PP ever expected.TBecause of that rapid change on the offing thugs like FAR,The butcher and profiteers are getting more and more afraid.The know a rapid change would definitely resulted in their arrest in order to answer for their crimes .FAR nad the Butcher strategy was not to allow any change as long as they alive in oreder not to face justice,but has come to realize that by the way SFP is pushing for change ,they might well be still alive and probably having sleepless nights when the think about it.
let us not take PP apologists seriously when they invent cases against those who oppose them.For it is always a sign of the pressure they in,the fear they feeling ,becuase they know their time is about to come to an end and they have to face just for their atrosities and crimes committed on our innocent people.
They more they invent and fabricate false cases against the oppostion ,the more we should expose them.
As to Francois he is one of those collaborator asking himself what am i going to do when they come for me,would they jailed me or maybe i could do what i konw best namely try to bribe them in order to get away with my crimes,should in escape to Australia like Dugass,or even commit suicide that they do not get me alive?These are questions ans worries roaming in theose crooks heads .Keep the pressure!
Jeanne D'Arc
Well Isaac- Who voted for you as SFP Secretary General. When was convention held. Practice what you preach mate. Parti ki pli napa demokrasi se SFP.
We did not take part in fake election,SFp though,did call for a boycott foll0wed by more than half of the population which in itlself is a means to test the popularity and support SFP has among the people.It also explain why PP never wanted to hold free and fair election for it knows it defeat is unavoidable.Other proves is Pp was forced to fabricate a fake opposition leader with Judas as both supporter and leader together with Chapin the briefcase keeper of JUDDA.Furthermore,RAM,Voclere nadboulle call on the people to rally in Sulivan's garden which only twenty on lookers turned up and who also did not go to PP ,is another proof of Seychellois support for SFP.That PP ;SNP ,NDP all have been rally against SFP shows that they know who has the real zupport from the people ,and they doing everything to ensure that change does not happen for in any fair and free elctions should be conducted they know SFp will be defeat them even when all three combined.
Jeanne DÂrc
Jeanne D'Arc
Pp to cut elctricity supply for Praslinois because of service.Well,there are more intelligent ways of doing a major service needed without affecting the people,tourism industries operating their businesses while the service in under way.How?Since,like the way Swiss people does things ,i will take a leaf from their book-In a country like Switzerland such a services that would have direct impact on people and businesses would have been done at NIGHT(reparing train tracks,important road,etc.. not to disturb businesses etc...this is not limited to Switzerland only but in any organized society that is how things are done not to impede other businesses etc--
And since we on electricity and PP is fighting climate change maybe PP can tell us why it is not putting solar panels on individual houses and govt. building to reduce fossil fuel use and thus help reduce greenhouse gas the main cause of Climate change.?And we after 30 years Praslin still having electricity shortage?
Jeanne D'Arc
A REAL CHRISTIAN!
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/frostinterview/2012/11/20121112125225355813.html
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA
Pp corruption machinery ,where would the buck stop?
Jean-Paul Isaac or whoever wrote that in his name, did you not see Ramkalawan being re-elected leader of SNP ?
Of course he will be re-elected by his apologists who depend on him to make a living and without him with the good contact to PP they might have to find a living.So that RAm was elected is inevitable.And i am sure The Butcher told RAm to make sure his is re-elected for SNP leader is needed to legitimate fake elections that keeps PP prolong our people surfering.Voclere too will be re-elected for same reason ,namely to prop up PP dictatorship as they been doing for decades in return for estronomic pensions for life.
Jeanne D'Arc
How about you Gill, will you be re-elected as leader of SFP?
...no wait! You were not elected!
Will you re-appoint yourself or will you let Isaac take the reins for a few years?
Show us that you are not a dick-teter and practice democracy within SFP. Isaac is gagging for a shot at the top job so give him a break. He can always appoint you SG (Sekreter Grenouille) in his place...non?
It is normal and most often the case that when a person decided to create a party that the person who created it become it first leader.This was the case When Mancham created DP,FAR created SPUP;RAM SNP etc ... So what is the point you want to make?
Jeanne D'Arc
I guess there is a time for everything and right now it is not the time for SFP to replace Gill as its leader. Gill is doing a wonderful job. It is the evil twin who speaks with forked tongue and need to be educated on external issues.
A FREEDOM LOVING SESELWA
It would be much beneficial for our people and country image damaged by PP,to dissolve Pp government and call for new elections.For in real life, no one would ever change something that works or leaders who deliver his or her duty even above the expectation of his or her employees,supporters and so forth.
You do not change what works you better it,You donot change an effective leader you support and follow him.
Jeanne D'Arc
Isaac can take over and take the pension that Gill is getting from PL.
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